Grasshopper: So why engage in philosophy at all and thus how do we know about a “school” of Greek thought called skepticism?
Master Pretense: Well, we have Sextus Empiricus and the Diogenes I mentioned earlier to thank for our knowing about Pyrrho. As Suber mentioned, skepticism has a formal relationship to Stoicism and has a similar vocabulary to Epicurean philosophy. Still let’s go to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy for the context:
Skeptical doubts are said to characterize times of social upheaval (a connection said to characterize, not only the ancient world, but the fourteenth century and our own era). It is difficult to judge such general claims, but it would be surprising if the foundational doubts that characterize skepticism were not more evident in times when social and intellectual turmoil invite deep questions about what is right and wrong and true and false.
Ancient skepticism’s ties to other trends in ancient philosophy are more easily observed. They are particularly evident in the considerations that motivate the skeptics’ decision to suspend judgment on the truth of any claim. The skeptics’ conclusion that truth is uncertain is at odds with the “dogmatic” philosophies they reject, but this conclusion may still be founded on a similar focus on opposing arguments, antithesis, and conflicting points of view. One might, for example, easily compare the Pyrrhonian conviction that there are equally convincing arguments for and against any claim to the Protagorean view that one can argue equally convincingly on both sides of any question. In both cases, one finds a general commitment to the possibility of convincing arguments for opposing points of view. Despite this mutual commitment, Protagoras defended a perspective which is in some ways diametrically opposed to skepticism (at least if we judge by Plato’s account of Protagoras in his Theaetetus), for it accepts rather than rejects opposing claims to truth.
Ancient skepticism has many affinities to other ancient philosophies. Greek atomism shares, for example, skepticism’s interest in opposing perceptions and points of view, and can be seen as an attempt to explain this opposition by hypothesizing atoms which impact on different kinds of bodies (the bodies of different individuals, and of different species) in different kinds of ways. Opposites which include opposing points of view also played a central role in Heracleitean and Platonic epistemology. Even Aristotelean philosophy has affinities to skepticism, affinities which are in this case manifest in an Aristotelean rhetorical tradition which incorporates the rhetorical works of Theophrastus, Demetrius of Phalerum and others, and which emphasizes the power of persuasive speech rather than argument’s ability to establish what is true.
In a number of cases, philosophers who have no direct ties to the skeptical schools anticipate skepticism by stressing the difficulties inherent in inquiry. Xenophanes was known for his claim that no one knows clear truth; Democritus maintained that “bastard” knowledge gained through the senses exists only by convention; Plato’s dialogues contained arguments pro and contra, and cast doubt on everyday opinions; Diogenes of Sinope and other Cynics dismiss philosophical speculation; Epictetus insists that philosophers spend too much time on theory (En., 51); and so on. The philosophies that such philosophers endorsed do not incorporate a full fledged skepticism, but their influence added impetus to the skeptics’ moves in this direction.
More generally, ancient skepticism flourished in an intellectual milieu which incorporated many general themes and trends conducive to skeptical conclusions. In marked contrast with modern science, ancient science could not boast the practical and theoretical successes of its modern counterpart. In part because of this, mysticism and irrationalism were powerful cultural forces in the ancient world. The possibility of conflicting views of things was reinforced by an interest in foreign cultures which drew attention to opposing customs and traditions. Opposing interests and perspectives were also manifest in debate, war, political rivalries and a religion and mythology which pitted god against god, man against man and even god against man.
Within this broader context, ancient philosophical inquiry is characterized both by a remarkable array of conflicting philosophical perspectives and by famous philosophers known for dazzling arguments for paradoxical conclusions (that motion is impossible, that nothing exists, that time is an illusion, etc.). In the midst of the conflicting views and conclusions that this implies, it is not surprising that some philosophers propound the conclusion that reason cannot establish truth, and gives us no way to choose between opposing arguments and opposing points of view.
Grasshopper: That’s one hell of a quote block.
Master Pretense: Don’t go meta-dialogue on me. We’re breaking the fourth wall.
Grasshopper: There is no wall. The readers are looking at screen.
Master Pretense: Metaphors, young grasshopper, are a dish best served mixed.
Grasshopper: You didn’t answer my question about why engage in philosophy if you believed like Pyrrho
Master Pretense: How would I know? I am just your teacher, not a dead Greek philosopher. Ask Pyrrho.
Grasshopper: You can’t pull another one of those quote thingies to explain?
Master Pretense: Fine. I’ll go to Wikipedia:
The goal of this critique, which Pyrrho’s followers realized would ultimately subvert even their own method, was to cultivate a distrust of all grand talk. They expected philosophy to collapse into itself. How far in this direction the Pyrrhonean commitment extended is a matter of debate. The Pyrrhonists confessed a belief in appearances, e.g. in hot and cold, grief and joy. It is impossible to deny, they admitted, that one seems to be in pain or seems to touch a piece of wood. Their world, thus, was completely phenomenological. An accomplished Pyrrhonist could, ideally, live as well as a dogmatist but with the added benefit of not worrying about truth and falsity, right and wrong, God’s will, and so forth.
So yes, the original Pyrrho knew that this could be caustic to philosophy.
Grasshopper: So what did Pyrrho believe again?
Master Pretense: The only real good evidence we have for Pyrrho’s beliefs can be found in a fragment from the philosophy Aristocles
He [Pyrrho] himself has left nothing in writing, but this pupil Timon says that whoever wants to be happy must consider these three questions: first, how are things by nature? Secondly, what attitude should we adopt towards them? Thirdly, what will be the outcome for those who have such an attitude? According to Timon, Pyrrho declared that things are equally indifferent, unmeasurable and inarbitrable. For this reason neither our sensations nor our opinions tell us truths or falsehoods. Therefore for this reason we should not put our trust in them one bit, but should be unopinionated, uncommitted and unwavering, saying concerning each individual thing that it no more is than is not, or both is and is not, or neither is nor is not. The outcome for those who actually adopt this attitude, says Timon, will be first speechlessness [aphasia], and then freedom from disturbance; and Aenesidemus says pleasure. (Eusebius, Prep. Ev. 14.18.2–5, Long & Sedley)
The Stanford Encyclopedia explains,
The interpretation of this passage is the subject of debate (see Bett, Pyrrho). According to the interpretation most in keeping with later skepticism, Pyrrho holds that things appear with equal force to be and not to be (and to both be and not to be; and to neither be nor not to be). According to an alternative (“metaphysical”) interpretation, Pyrrho holds that this is how things actually are — i.e. that things in the world actually are and are not (and both are and are not, and neither are nor are not). If the latter interpretation is correct, it is a historical irony that Pyrrho became the most famous spokesperson for a later skepticism which rejects all claims about the true nature of the world.
If the second view is true, Pyrrho would have agreed with the Buddhist thinker Nagarjuna. Suber, however, thinks that even if the first view is true, Pyrrho would have concerned with something other than “doubt” in the strict sense:
The dogmatist asserts that something is true. He makes judgments he is willing to stand by. The skeptic suspends her judgment; she waits until she is sure, which may be never. Suspension of judgment (in Greek, epoche), not doubt and not denial, is the skeptic’s characteristic activity. This is the next important technical term. The Greek word epoche means to check, cease, suspend, stop, or pause in some activity that otherwise or normally occurs. The skeptics applied the word to judgment, while in other contexts Greek speakers applied it to sunlight (in eclipses), menstruation (in pregnancy), payments on a debt (in default), musical vibrations of a string (at the nodes), and the passage of time (at turning points or “epochs”). The English phrase “suspension of judgment” captures the gist of the skeptical usage well, but loses the flavor of a versatile common word doing philosophical work. If we had to coin a word to capture more of its sense, “ajudice” (meaning non-judgment, on the model of “prejudice”, meaning pre-judgment) might work well.
Grasshopper: Wait. You need to back track and explain to me how this relevant to say Carl Sagan or James Randi or Bob the Village Atheist or Eric the Objectivist who doesn’t believe in global warming.
Master Pretense: All in good time, Grasshopper.
To be continued.




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July 10, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Calixto
“Grasshopper: Wait. You need to back track and explain to me how this relevant to say Carl Sagan or James Randi or Bob the Village Atheist or Eric the Objectivist who doesn’t believe in global warming.”
This is pretty much my question. I’m still trying to see a valid connection between these modern “skeptics” and the meaning and use of skepticism for a couple of millenia (and more).
I want to know, because, quite frankly, again, modern skeptics are pretty damned dogmatic, and certainly do not display any of the modesty one should expect from even a moderate skeptic, or one who accepts appearances.
They’ll often make it quite clear they don’t believe X is possible, even though much epistemology and especially skeptical epistemology would hold we can’t rule it out.
*Some* may bother to trot out the disclaimer that “we aren’t against X per se” even though they then proceed to immediately show why its *impossible* or not even worth investigating.
While the most blatant example is the existence of God…where a true skeptic should be an agnostic here as in all things, suspending judgment, they go out to mostly prove or state that God is impossible; and indeed happily ridicule the rest of the population. While negative atheism, that of George S. Smith is more compatible with true skepticism (even if he has a dialogue in his main book “refuting” skepticism), as its withholding judgment and belief until more and better evidence is provided; (agnostics generally hold we *can’t* know, which is, I think the proper skeptic position); most are postive atheists.
I could go on towards a discussion of other claimed to be impossible and non-existent beings.
One thing I have noticed is that, for instance in the case of UFOs, prominent skeptics such as Schaeffer and Klass spend a lot of time discrediting eye-witness testimony as being fundamentally unreliable. Of course, this should invalidate scientific investigation; not to mention the very concept of a trial.
Yet science, which depends heavily on empirical observation, eyewitness study (via the scientists), and induction all of which are questioned by a skeptic.
Mind you, I’d like to know this, as I myself was a skeptic, heavily influenced by, and an avid reader of “skeptics” from Gardener to Randi; from Schaeffer to Klass; Sagan to Dawkins, and beyond. They were quite influential in my life until I studied more philosophy and began to question them and their logic.
July 11, 2009 at 2:06 am
skepoet
You know, you are confusing A LOT of things in this. You say, “prominent skeptics such as Schaeffer and Klass spend a lot of time discrediting eye-witness testimony as being fundamentally unreliable. Of course, this should invalidate scientific investigation; not to mention the very concept of a trial.”
Wrong. One, a trail is not a good measure for truth and neither is eye-witness testimony. Scientific and double-blinded controls, repeatability, and lack more easily explainable answers are different than generic eye-witness testimony.
You’re too invested in the philosophical underpinnings and ignoring the psychological ones or the lack of other evidence. Anecdotal evidence is NEVER admissable in science and that is what “eye-witness” testimony is.
Second, most “skeptics” even in the classical sense, were not against induction. I haven’t started covering academic skeptics, but they are very different from Pyrrhic skeptics and most of them accepted induction as probable.
As for this: “They’ll often make it quite clear they don’t believe X is possible, even though much epistemology and especially skeptical epistemology would hold we can’t rule it out.”
You can’t rule anything out logically, but you sure as hell can rule it out as a likely answer. But you’re confusing skeptical epistemology with skeptical inquiry, and the Greek word does refer to both things. Skeptic means “inquiry” not “doubt” or even “reserver of judgment.” The term was almost ironic from the get-go.
As stuff like god, how useful is that conversation? In this, many skeptics are slightly dogmatic. Many may claim negative atheism, but then they’ll pull out “a-unicornist” or the tea pot argument, which is so close to positive atheism or anti-theism, its not funny.
Many also have hidden political beliefs that they don’t question. They tend to dislike and attack post-modernists who, through semiotics pretty much agree with Pyrrho.
These are problems, but there is a relationship. We have to through 2000 years of history to get into it.
July 11, 2009 at 2:14 am
skepoet
I said “These are problems, but there is a relationship. We have to through 2000 years of history to get into it”
Slog through 2000 years of history. However, getting upset about the shifts in meaning over time is sort of a lost cause, because “Skepticism” stopped referring to Pyrrhic skepticism with Descartes at the latest, and possibly as early as the 3rd or 4th century. Stoic and Epicurean have pretty much suffered a similar linguistic fate.